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אתם תפסיקו לבלבל אותי עם עובדות? שמעתם?

אם אני אומר לכם שהפועל תארח אותנו בטוטו העונה זה יקרה. אני לא יודע "איך". אבל יקרה.

אם הם יעלו מהבית אז הם יכולים לארח אותנו בחצי

ואם הם יסיימו כסגנית הטובה ביותר הם יכולים לארח אותנו במשחק על מקומות 7-8 (מביך).

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אם הם יעלו מהבית אז הם יכולים לארח אותנו בחצי

ואם הם יסיימו כסגנית הטובה ביותר הם יכולים לארח אותנו במשחק על מקומות 7-8 (מביך).

רואים? אמרתי לכם.

אחד מאלו יקרה. תלמדו להקשיב..

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היידה

 

 

אני כבר רואה את הנפילות המוגזמות שלו ברחבה בדרבי הקרב ובא

 

לא צריך להתפלל. הוא רוב העונה הולך להיות פצוע.

עוד פנסיונר שעשה עליהם סיבוב סטייל בן בסט ויצחקי.

 

ורוצינה , דני בונדר , קנדה , דה רידר , דה סילבה


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הימורים.

באיזה שלב בקיץ יתחילו לדבר על דמארי וחברים?

באיזה שלב של העונה הם יבינו שלא יהיו קבוצת פלייאוף תחתון?

מתי יתחילו דיבורים על זה שהם מתגעגעים ללאומית?

רייכרט יחזור לשם ויהפוך לקפטן?

באיזה מחזור יפטרו את רפואה?

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עומר בהמשך לדיון מהנושא שננעל

יש מצב אתה שם פה לינק לפרוטוקול של אופא מפרשת צדק?

http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/OfficialDocument/uefaorg/UEFACompDisCases/02/54/65/16/2546516_DOWNLOAD.pdf

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80. However, as far as the UEFA disciplinary body feels sympathy for the theory of the player, before reaching its conclusion about the source of the substance it needs to draw the attention to some gaps in his argumentation that may eventually weaken the credibility of the player´s position.

 

81. This UEFA disciplinary body notes that he didn´t report this product in his first allegations made on 24 September 2017. The reason he gave therefore it hat he didn´t think that an energy drink could contain the alleged doping substance. Only after gathering legal advise he remembered its existence. This sudden acknowledgement of the product that finally appears to be the source of the substance is the least suspicious.

 

82. Further on, this UEFA disciplinary body has serious doubts about the reliability of the results coming from the United States laboratory. As admitted by the player, the original bottle had to be manipulated by transferring the content of it to a sterilised tube before sending it to the US. This obviously involves an unacceptable manipulation of the content and has a direct impact on the reliability of the results.

 

83. Also, in connection to the different laboratory analysis, this UEFA disciplinary body noted that none of them involves a WADA accredited laboratory. The reason therefore, as stated by the player during the hearing, was that WADA accredited laboratories don´t accept products coming from private individuals. In this regard, the player could have asked UEFA to request a WADA accredited laboratory to undertake the appropriate analysis, but he didn’t.

 

84. Finally, during the examination of the club´s physiotherapist, Mr Borsch, he confirmed none of the almost 40 bottles which were in possession of the club are currently available for analysis. This is certainly convenient for the player who has already a number of positive results coming from different laboratories to support his theory without any possibility for UEFA to out together these results with others coming from a similar product, i.e. a the same product with the same batch number and expiry date.

 

85. Bearing all the above in mind, as stated already in the previous section, even though there are some gaps in the account of events of the player, and, in some extent, on the reliability of the results provided by the laboratories, this Panel is prepared to accept that the source of the substance is likely to be the drinking version of the Xtreme Shock product.

 

86. This conclusion derives from the fact that it is credible to assume that Mr Tedzek used this product before the relevant match. In particular, the existence of a previous doping control form of February 2017, including this product, supports the likelihood of this assertion. This UEFA disciplinary body also accepts that indeed this product may have contained the octopamine substance as both the AINSI webpage of the same product sold in the US and, most importantly, the statements of the company responsible for manufacturing and packaging this product point in this direction.

 

87. Consequently and for the sake of conciseness, the Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body deems that the source of the substance was the energy drink called Xtreme Shock ingested by the player before the match.

98. In the present case, the Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body acknowledges that the line of argumentation of the player follows two different paths. First, he emphasizes the personal safeguards he undertakes with regard to the use of supplements. Second, as he is aware of his own limitations he relies on the expertise of the club and its experts, mainly Ms Arieli.

 

99. Regarding the safeguards he takes when using supplements, the player stresses that he limits its use, he only uses those provided by his club and reads the labels in Hebrew and if anything seems suspicious investigates further.

 

100. This UEFA disciplinary body finds no reason to disbelieve the above assertions made by the player. However, some of the specific circumstances of this case are not satisfying as regards the analysis of the fault of the player.

 

101. It is recalled that in order to meet the necessary standard of the duty of care, a minimum requirement may be whether the athlete carried out internet research (CAS 2009/A/1915 at para 76).

 

102. According to the player’s own information the ANSI´s webpage – the marketer of this product, establishes that the product sold in the US contains octopalean - another name for octopamine. In particular, the description given by this webpage is close to the typical one given for other performance enhancing products like, for instance, steroids. It defines it as a product that “promotes instant energy and strength gains plus buffers lactic acid build up, allowing you to pack on new muscle, faster and easier than ever before 2 ”. Consequently, this simple and easy duty of care was not done by the played, even though it would have provided the player with important information of the potential danger of this product and, accordingly, called for the need to be more attentive and precautious.

 

103. Also, this UEFA disciplinary body deems that the player lacked from a precautious attitude when he realised that the format of the product provided by the club changed suddenly from powder to a drinking version. According to the evidence at hand the player did not return to the club or its experts to reassure that the product was safe. Neither the player nor the witness statements provided by the latter point to any precaution undertaken by the player when the change of format occurred. Indeed, the expert Ms Arieli on whom the played relied was not aware of this situation, whereas it is the played himself who asserts that he checks everything with the relevant representatives and, in particular, with Ms Arieli.

 

104. Further and in connection to the second path used by the player, the Control, Ethics and Disciplinary Body has some doubts about the strength of these allegations. The player insists in that he relies on the club and its experts to discharge his responsibility. In this sense, he notes that he is aware of his limitations and asks the relevant staff whether he can use the 2 https://ansinutrition.com/product/xtreme-shock-fruit-punch-12oz/ supplements and if these have been checked and approved by the nutritionist. In this respect, the club consults a dietician, Ms Arieli, who is an expert in nutrition and has a diploma in sport nutrition. Ms Arieli provides a list of “safe” products that are checked against the WADA Prohibited list. In this regard, the witness statements by Ms Arieli incorporate the analysis undertaken on the product Xtreme Shock by a German laboratory in 2012, being the result negative for doping substances.

 

105. First, it derives from the information provided by, Ms Arieli that she ordered to test the product for doping substance in a German laboratory in 2012 - five years ago, and only for a specific number of steroids, i.e. specific substances - none of which referred to octopamine. In this regard, there has been no evidence as if the expert has supervised or continue to monitor this product either for octopamine or for the presence of any other doping substance.

 

106. It is recalled that according to the player´s assertions he started to use this product as of January 2017, being the reliability of the above mentioned results not clear insofar they may not be still valid five years later.

 

107. Further, there is no piece of evidence that demonstrates that a minimal internet research had been attempted by the club relevant staff, and, in particular, by the expert. As explained before, a simple internet research on the webpage of ANSI on this product would have showed that a version of product contains the prohibited substance.

 

108. It is recalled that checking a substance against the Prohibited List is not an action for which specific anti-doping training is required3 . The player asserts that it was done by the experts, but none of them came back with the above conclusion, even if it is evident for the above mentioned reasons that the drinking version of this product present some potential risk depending where it is bought.

 

109. Nontheless, this UEFA disciplinary body is willing to accept the fact that the player was reasonable in selecting the clubs experts, amongst them Ms Arieli. However, even so, he still has the responsibility to monitor or supervise in any way whether and how the club experts were meeting the anti-doping obligations imposed on the athlete when they agreed to assist him (CAS 2016/A/4643 at para 97). By not doing it, not even after noticing that the format of the product had evidently changed from powder to a drinking version, he clearly failed in his anti-doping obligations.

 

110. Also regarding the change from the powder to the drinking version of this product, the player asserts that the club purchased it from the shop “X-Body”. This store run out of supplies of the powder form and suggested the club to take the drink RTD version of Xtreme Shock, which had allegedly the same components. The club decided to use this version of the product without the knowledge of Ms Arieli. It follows Ms Arieli didn´t cross-check, made an internet research and or an independent test as she did with the powder version. Consequently, the assertions made by the player in this regard as to discharge his responsibility are not valid for the drinking version due to the obvious fact that this has 3 CAS 2016/A/4643 at para 88 never been done on the drinking version, which if done so would have resulted in the discovery of the substance or at least the potential risk attached to this product.

 

111. Bearing all the above circumstances in mind, while having sympathy for some of the assertions made by the player, this UEFA disciplinary body considers that the player had a normal degree of fault from an objective perspective, being the period of suspension from 8-16 months, a “standard” normal degree of fault leading to a suspension of 12 months.

(החל מעמוד 131)

 

הוא לא קיבל עונש חמור יותר כי נתנו לו את חמת הספק לגבי הכוונה, זה הכל. ממש לא ניקו אותו או את באר-שבע מאשמה כמו שהם מציירים. דווקא די נכנסו בחלק מהתיאוריות שלהם שהם טוענים שאופ"א קיבלה.

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http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/OfficialDocument/uefaorg/UEFACompDisCases/02/54/65/16/2546516_DOWNLOAD.pdf

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(החל מעמוד 131)

 

הוא לא קיבל עונש חמור יותר כי נתנו לו את חמת הספק לגבי הכוונה, זה הכל. ממש לא ניקו אותו או את באר-שבע מאשמה כמו שהם מציירים. דווקא די נכנסו בחלק מהתיאוריות שלהם שהם טוענים שאופ"א קיבלה.

 

לא לא, בית הדין של אופ"א קבע שצדק זכאי, שאלונה נשמה ושאין עוד עיר אהובה כזאת בעולם

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איך לעזאזל מכל אנשי התקשורת שיש פה, אף אחד אפילו לא חשב על לעמת את מה שבבש אומרים עם הפרוטוקול?

הקטע האהוב עליי הוא זה שבו שהמומחית מעידה שאף אחד בב"ש לא ביקש ממנה חוות דעת לגבי המשקה אלא רק לגבי אבקה, 5 שנים לפני זה. בדיווחים בארץ משום מה הפרט הקטן הזה הושמט. גם הקטע שהדיינים תוהים לגבי זה שב"ש לא יכולה לספק אף בקבוק מהסטוק שקנתה לבדיקה של אופ"א הוא די משעשע.

 

כמובן, לפי הדיווחים בארץ החברה לקחה אחריות מלאה (ולא סתם אמרה שאפשרי בתיאוריה שהיתה טעות), והמומחית אמרה שהכל בסדר ולא נבע מהעדות שלה שב"ש והשחקן כשלו. ובשום שלב אופ"א לא אמרה שההסברים וההתנהלות חשודים.

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אני באמת תוהה לעצמי מה עדיף לגלות - שאף אחד מהעיתונאים לא עשה את המינימום ובדק אם הודעת המועדון תואמת את הפרוטוקול, או שבדקו אבל בחרו לשתף את הציבור בממצאים.

 

הסיפור הזה בזיוני ברמה שאין לי מילים לתאר.

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רגע, לא הבנתי משהו..

על מי מדובר פה?
על זה שכבר מעל שנתיים לא משתתף במסגרת תחרותית, השחקן הכי חלש בנבחרת של ישראל מוקדמות רוסיה 18', זה שמלבד ההתחזות באלבניה למעשה לא תרם דבר ואף חירב בחולשתו את הקמפיין והוכיח שאין לו כושר להשפיע במעמדים מחייבים כרגע?
למה שיזמנו מישהו שהקריירה שלו מתרכזת בלהעשיר את חשבון הבנק על חשבון אפס התקדמות מקצועית?
שמגמת השיפור שלו נמצאת בצניחה דווקא כשלכאורה הוא היה מצופה ככדורגלן וכאדם להתמודד מול האתגרים הקשים היותר, ובחר במקום זאת להישרף על יאכטות בליגת הדרדסים?
אנחנו מדברים על אותו אחד שבשידור ישיר לעיני כל המדינה כשהספינה טובעת, ובתור קפטן ברגע של משבר בחר לקווצץ' ובהפגנתיות לבוז לסרט ולהשליך אותו כמו סמרטוט אל הדשא?

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